Boomerang’s TWELFTH NIGHT continues thru July 15th in Central Park.
Recently, Artistic Director Tim Errickson chatted with Vinnie Penna (Sir Toby) and Spencer Aste (Sir Andrew) about playing Shakespeare’s clowns in this celebrated comedy.
Tim Errickson: Ok, first question…Shakespeare’s clowns are some of his best characters. What do you think makes them special?
Vinnie Penna: Speaking truth to power.
Spencer Aste: Absolutely! I always feel like the clowns don’t realize they’re funny.
I always consider them a bit sad.
VP: They also have an uncanny knack of knocking the snooty off their pedestals.
There’s definitely sadness in both Toby and Andrew.
TE: How so?
SA: They’re searching for something to make them complete. Andrew wants to be loved. He wants female companion.
VP: I don’t want to speak for Spencer, but in the case of Toby, at least the way I view him in this production, this is a guy who saw some shit in the army and has really only found solace in the bottle. However, over time, he realizes how important he is to Maria
SA: I also think Andrew knows to the core he’s not a great fencer, dancer or bear baiter. He just wants everybody else to believe that and he wants to believe it himself.
TE: There’s an easy parallel from Sir Toby to Falstaff…
VP: Well, sure, and that was probably intentional on Shakespeare’s part. What’s Twelfth Night’s subtitle? “What You Will?”
SA: Absolutely! And one of Andrew’s line, “take it how you will.”
VP: Falstaff commits a lot of thievery, though, and I find him considerably meaner than Toby.
TE: That’s fair. I think in terms of their (Toby and Falstaff’s) one time bravery, and their conclusion that they no longer want that for themselves. And I think there’s allusion to lots of other people for Sir Andrew, from Don Armado in LLL to Dogberry to a degree
SA: I agree.
VP: That kinda goes along with Sara’s idea that there’s a “crack” in the world in Illyria and madness reigns. “I’ll confine myself no finer than I am!”
TE: For Sir Andrew, I think what makes him so unique is that he’s not just a blowhard like a dogberry, but there’s something more there.
VP: He’s so goddamn weird.
TE: So how hard is it to bring these guys to life outside? What are the challenges and the pleasures of it?
SA: Playing them balls to the walls! Hehe! Loudly!! I always feel like acting in a comedy I try to make them as serious and tragic as I can. Trying to be funny always fucks me up.
VP: Yes. Playing a clown and trying to be funny is as effective as playing a villain and being all BWAH-HA-HAAAA!!!
VP: The pleasures are many. This is a very talented company and they’re very much on their toes, so if something changes or a line is inflected a bit differently (depending on how drunk I decide to play a scene), they are prepared!
TE: Do you play scenes differently knowing you have to reach the “cheap seats”? Meaning, father back, partial view etc…
VP: Louder, maybe?
SA: Yeah. I always try to make the person I think will hate the show, laugh.
TE: Does it take certain choices away? Like smaller things?
VP: Sure. I’ve been in a constant debate with myself about whether or not I’m shouting the whole time. I know I’m not, but still…
SA: I also feel like I’m shouting, which lessens my vocal range. But yes. I think small choices can’t be seen or heard.
VP: Definitely not in the cheap seats.
TE: How about working together…how long have you actually known each other?
SA: 22 years, i think.
VP: We talked about this during rehearsal. We met in 1996.
TE: Where? How?
VP: At the Westbeth. Spencer played a clown in that one too! Topless!
SA: Hehe!! I did!!
TE: And how many times over those 22 years have you appeared together?
VP: Thrice, I think.
SA: I think that’s right, but having done readings and Congregation (Play Reading Group) and seeing each others work it feels like a lot more.
TE: Obviously Twelfth Night and (Boomerang’s 2010 production of ) The Tempest, although you might not have had scenes together in The Tempest…
VP: We were in the shipwreck and the last scene together, but we exchanged no dialogue.
TE: That’s kind of awesome…first scene and last scene!